Wednesday, October 10, 2007

LOTR vs. HP

Here’s a long-standing debate that I’ve been meaning to throw my 2 cents into for a while. The Lord of the Rings vs. Harry Potter. The stalwart cornerstone of a genre vs. the young hot upstart. In terms of popularity, there should be no contest. To date, the Harry Potter books have sold more than 350 million copies world wide in the span of a decade. The Lord of the Rings series, in contrast, has sold roughly 100 million since the first publication in 1954. Indeed, Harry Potter has sold more than three times as many copies as The Lord of the Rings in less than one-fifth the time. Further, there should be no doubt that Harry Potter is here to stay. Though its days as a cultish cultural phenomenon are coming to a close, the Harry Potter series is all but assured of enjoying a long shelf-life as a staple of childhood reading.

Believe it or not, I have done some research on this debate. If you google some variant of the phrase ‘Lord of the Rings vs. Harry Potter’ as I did, you will find the sites of many bloggers who have tackled the exact same question. They break into two camps; the Harry Potter camp, and The Lord of the Rings camp.

Each side tends to parrot one of the following arguments. The Lord of the Rings fans contend that the Middle Earth universe is far more comprehensive Harry Potter’s. The meticulous mind of JRR Tolkien imagined every detail in the Middle Earth universe; he even wrote an extensive back story in the Silmarillion. Harry Potter, on the other hand, is riddled with inconsistencies and plot holes that tend to be repaired by magical technicalities, and a heavy reliance upon the Deus Ex Machina technique. Lord of the Rings fans also allude, somewhat mysteriously, to their series’ depth, which apparently far exceeds that of Harry Potter.

Harry Potter fans counter that at least Harry Potter is exciting. A valid point, considering the Lord of the Rings can be somewhat dull in comparison. They also argue that Harry Potter is not shallow because of the historical parallels to World War II. The rise of the Death Eaters is easily analogous to real historical movements like Nazism. Lord Voldemort, with his infatuation with blood purity, sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler. This, they assert, constitutes depth and complexity.

Clearly, depth must be an important status-marker, since both sides invoke it to justify their allegiance. Many bloggers throw the word around, but few actually explain what makes the books deep. Lord of the Rings fans refer to the overwhelming detail in books’ mythology, but they seem to confuse detail with depth. To actually understand the depth of the Lord of the Rings, we should look to the early 20th century, when the series was first conceived.

The Lord of the Rings universe was forged in the trenches of World War I, where Tolkien served as a communications officer. JRR Tolkien actually witnessed the Battle of Sommes, one of the truly horrifying events of European History. Upon becoming ill (disease actually accounted for the majority of deaths in WWI) he left the frontlines to recover. The war that killed an entire generation of young European men took Tolkien’s three closest childhood friends as well. It also utterly shattered Europe’s intellectual traditions, and seemed to reveal the violent, irrational nature that lied beneath nationalism, technology, and modernity itself. To all those it affected, World War I represented a failure of Enlightenment thinking and Western Civilization as a whole.

Tolkien began to elaborate upon the Lord of the Rings universe in the dark years that followed World War I. On a personal level, it was an escapist fantasy that was easier for him to face than everyday life. On a more universal level, The Lord of the Rings was his attempt to grapple with and re-imagine a destroyed European consciousness. If the Enlightenment had failed, what was the solution? What could replace Western Civilization? These are the questions Tolkien wrestled with.

The War for the Ring is not a direct allegory for World War I or II, as Tolkien warns us. Instead, we should view it as a more general representation of the violence and cultural shock of the early 20th century. The war between Orcs and Men is a fight for the modern world. Would the new world be characterized by greed, fear, darkness, and duplicity, which the armies of Sauron represent? Or could a new era of prosperity be built from the ashes of a ruined heritage, much like the fallen race of Numenor?

Tolkien was not the only author to struggle with these questions. Tolkien is actually writing in the same vein as TS Eliot. Both writers believed that Western Civilization had failed. But what would replace it? In The Wasteland, Eliot seems to say we ought to look towards Eastern Philosophy. Tolkien, on the other hand, seems to say that Europe’s salvation lies in its distant past.

The Lord of the Rings is written in the style of Beowulf, the 9th century epic of a mythical war hero. By deciding to write in this antiquated trope, Tolkien seems to be saying that Europe must look deep into its own past in order to escape from its devastating malaise. Look beyond the Enlightenment, beyond even the Renaissance, and start from scratch, Tolkien commands us. In order to revive Western civilization, we must return to its very foundation.

Our readers who are familiar with the series may notice that there are many avenues wide open for interpretation that I merely glazed over. This is precisely what makes the Lord of the Rings a deep novel. There are innumerable levels of allusion and historical relevancy that simply do not exist in Harry Potter. Rowling’s allusions to World War II are largely extraneous, and further no greater purpose within the novel. Often times, it seems Rowling alludes to World War II to give her novels a sense of depth without too much serious consideration.

I will try not to overstate my case. Harry Potter is a wildly entertaining and engaging series, and likewise it is very possible to enjoy the Lord of the Rings even on a superficial level. Further, I don’t want to elevate The Lord of the Rings to the same level as The Wasteland, a work of unrelenting complexity and beauty. I just want to settle the debate once and for all: Harry Potter is fun reading, but in terms of literary merit, it cannot stand up to the Lord of the Rings.

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

It seems that for you, at least one major factor in evaluating the merits of each work lies in each author's inspiration. Tolkien's impetus for creating the Middle Earth mythology was, to be sure, the culmination of his education and study, his incredible life experiences, and his identity as a whole, which he combined with his firsthand perspective of the breakdown of the myth of progress in western civilization. This produced a tale rich with western culture that offers revealing insights into the changing face of the world, as well as one that has thrilled millions of readers for generations.

Rowling is a good author, no doubt, but lacked specific motivation for Harry Potter, other than to generate enjoyment for others, and an income for herself, and possibly literary satisfaction. Thus, the series lacks underlying principles that our society can find relevant, or perhaps even HELPFUL, in understanding our own history, and our current situation. Harry is fun to hang around with for a while, but once Voldemort's dead, he's not really very much use to us any longer.

I find your explication of the question of inspiration in these two works very fascinating, but cannot help noticing that you might have overlooked the weak spot in Tolkien's dragon of literary "depth," which is, of course....

Hobbits are for HOMOS!!!!!

cassie said...

I agree that HP is a good book. but lotr is better. JRR never left out a single detail. He even made up his own language. and hobbits R NOT 4 homos. And i am a girl. Im am not a dork, nor nerd, or outcast. im very popular actuly. And just cuz sam and from hugged does not mean there gay. if you went through ALL of that, barly esaping death, i think you and your friend would hug 2. Take 4 instance drake and josh hug almost every other episode, and you dont see ppl giving them shit. i think ppl dont like lotr is becuase there jealouse. It is such a popular book and movie. and tolkien won the writer of the centary award. did the hp author win that? i think not. so lotr is a trillion times pi better.

cassie said...

*sam and frodo*

Dan said...

OK so u sound like a) someone who is not a girl 2)someone who is a dork 3) someone who is a nerd, and finally d) an outcast who is not popular and likes to get hugged by other guys.

I do not know why you are saying Tolkien was making up the stuff he wrote about. Hello? Middle EARTH? Ring any bells? Ding ding ding WE live on earth. There used to be hobbits that spoke langauges but just not anymore ok? Tolkien was just like reporting on the things he learned in school and I don't know why you would compare that to wizards who are for a lot of the time not real AND made up (not saying there are no wizards just that they aren't like the ones in HP).

And writer of the century is an EZ award to get. JK Rowling probably got it and said no thank give it to someone else cuz I'm all set thanks.

And i don't understand why you're comparing a book to a movie, either. ya the LOTR movies were wicked good and Toliken was a BEAST for making them (even though he looks really funny cuz he's fat and has that beard and i hope he makes the Halo movie soon cuz that's gonna be sick my GT on XBL is XxD3athDrag0NxX hit me up for 1v1) but IMO books >>>> movies (I really like ENglish in school can u tell??).

I just think you are saying carzy things and thats cool cuz that's your opinion but mine is different ok bro? HP 4 life!!!

Anonymous said...

@ Daniel:
You're a freaking moron. We aren't comparing a movie to a book, you jag. The Lord of the Rings is a book as well, written by J.R.R. Tolkien and has existed for at least 40 years more than Harry Potter. The guy you're thinking of is Peter Jackson. The land (Middle Earth)is much more imaginative than Harry Potter, and we can all agree that many, many things in HP are taken straight from LotR. For a person who likes English best, you obviously aren't very well informed on books preceding your birth date. Which was probably 14 years ago, because your grammar and spelling shows.

Dan said...

My grammer and spelling shows WHAT exactly?? THat I know what i'm talking about and don't question me because you're just gonna get punked?

First of all I think I am not thinking of peter jackson who I know who that is I'm not dumb but I think you're thinking of Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief which is also a movie that is a fantasy but isnt not be to be confused with lotr (still a sick movie though).

And wtf is the same about HP to lotr? MAGIC? I think magic has been around since at least Shakespear (my other fav author of books) so you can't claim that was lotr in the first place. Also HP was completely original in that there is for the most part an ENTIRE SCHOOL devoted to magic which had never been thought of before then. To me for my opinion lotr and HP are both badass but not really the same. What are you gonna say that legolas is the same as dobby the house elf?? What we can all agree is that is not the case in any way no matter how bad you want it to be, "Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous".

Your opinion is technically yours and that is fine because I can't change it (And I don't want to!!) but for my part it is probably mostly wrong. HP > lotr because first of all it made more money and then also it is more original because anyone can say yes there was a war and the good guys won but Harry (from HP) almost DIED in his book (and a bunch of other people too) so it is a lot sadder.

I would have responded sooner but my parents only give me some internet time a month (I spend a ton more time reading and I'm gonna be so sick at it in high school) and I been using it to play CoD: Modern Warfare II which is soooo good hit me up if you wanna lose!!
GT: XxD3athDrag0NxX

日本ダービー said...

第77回 日本ダービー 2010 予想、オッズ、厳選買い目は?人気が平然と馬券に絡む理由とは!?見事に展開を読んで結果を的中させる

出会い said...

エロセレブとの出会いを完全無料でご提供します。逆援助で高額報酬をゲットしよう

モバゲー said...

モバゲータウンでいろんな異性と交流を深めあいませんか。異性に対して経験がない方でも簡単にお楽しみいただける、シンプルかつ効率的に優れているサイトとなっています

ツイッター said...

全世界で大ブームを巻き起こしているツイッター!!それを利用して今まで経験したことがないような恋を経験してみませんか

モテる度チェッカー said...

モテる度チェッカーが今回リニューアルしました!!今迄と違い診断内容にモテない人と診断された方を救済する、速攻効果が出るモテる為のアドバイスが付きます、またモテる診断された人には、より一層のモテ・テクニックを手に入れませんか

安田記念 said...

第60回 安田記念 2010 予想 オッズ 出走馬 枠順で万馬券をズバリ的中!絶対なるデータが確実に当てるための秘訣

ツイッター said...

今話題のツイッターで理想の関係を築きませんか。ツイッターで自分の出来事をリアルタイムで表現して相手にその想いを伝えましょう

安田記念 said...

第60回 安田記念 2010 予想 オッズから展開と結果をズバリ当てる!出走馬、枠順など全てを考慮にいれた緻密なデータをもとに検証

友達 said...

気楽に遊べる人募集です♪まずはお友達からヨロシクね!! freedum@docomo.ne.jp

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチで素敵な愛を掴みませんか?愛に対する理想や想いを現実にしていきましょう

モバゲー said...

モバゲータウンでは今までとは一味違う出逢いを体験する事ができるのです。これまで良い出逢いがなかった人にはもってこいの無料登録型の掲示板です

ゲーマーチェッカー said...

ゲーマー達のステイタス、ゲーマーチェッカーであなたのゲーマー度数を測定!!測定結果を元に自分と同レベルのオンライン対戦も出来ます。ゲームが得意な人もそうでない人もどちらも楽しめますよ

スタービーチ said...

日本最大級のであいコミュニティ「スタービーチ」で恋人を探しませんか。素敵なであいを経験して理想の人と楽しい思い出を作りましょう

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチが完全リニューアルして復活しました!!あの伝説級のであい系サイトが満を持して再降臨。煌めくような今この瞬間にあなたの胸にもときめきをお届けします

スタービーチ said...

であい系の元祖はやっぱりスタービーチ!初めてであい系にチャレンジする娘も多いここならゲット率は最強

モバゲー said...

モバゲータウンでであいを楽しみませんか。気軽に誰でも楽しめるであいサイトとなっています。こんな事をしてみたいなど希望の事が実現できる、そんなであいコミュニティサイトです

gree said...

greeで楽しめちゃうであい掲示板実現!ここで楽しみませんか?いろんなであいをここで見ていきましょう

出会い said...

エロセレブとの出会いを完全無料でご提供します。逆援助で高額報酬をゲットしよう

宝塚記念 2010 said...

宝塚記念 2010 予想データから完全攻略!出走馬 枠順などからはじきだすデータは最強!これで平成22年の宝塚記念はもらったも同然!波乱の展開もあり

メル友 said...

全国からメル友募集中の女の子達が、あなたとのであいを待ってるよ!無料エントリーで自由な恋愛を楽しんじゃお

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチがどこのサイトよりも遊べる確率は高いんです。登録無料で新しい恋をGETしてみませんか

出会い said...

出会い系サイトで逆援助生活をしよう!エッチなセレブ女性たちが集まっています

モバゲー said...

モバゲーを使ってご近所さんと知り合えちゃう!新感覚のコミュニティサービスを利用してみよう

玉の輿度チェッカー said...

今の時代簡単に金持ちになる方法は中々無いけど、可能性は誰しも秘めてます!!そう一番手っ取り早いのは玉の輿です。この玉の輿度チェッカーをキッカケに金持ちになった方が、意外と多いのです。是非あなたも一段高みを目指しませんか

出会い said...

一流セレブたちが出会いを求めて集まっています。彼女たちからの逆援助でリッチな生活を楽しみましょう

出会い系 said...

セレブの為の出会い系、セレブの雫では女性会員数も増え、男性会員様が不足するという状態となっております。そこで先着順に、男性会員様を募集しております

スタービーチ said...

日本で一番会員数が多いのはやっぱりスタービーチ!若い娘から熟女まで好みのご近所さんがすぐに見つかる☆無料期間中に試してみませんか

出会い said...

お金持ちの女性と出会い、彼女たちとHするだけで謝礼がもらえるサイトをご存じですか?高収入の女性ほど、お金を使っていろいろな男性と遊んでいます

モバゲー said...

流行のモバゲーで友達たくさん!運命の出会いがあるかも!?まだ初めていない人も無料ゲームで遊ぼう

逆援助 said...

女の子に逆援助してほしい、女の子と真剣にお付き合いしたい、複数プレイをやってみたい、童貞・処女を卒業したいのなら新感覚コミュニティ・ラブフリーでメル友を探そう

モバゲー said...

大人気モバゲーが遂に出合いの場所に!モバゲーだから気軽に出会える!出合いに縁がなかった方も是非ご利用くださいませ

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチは誰にでも出逢いという奇跡をもたらしてくれる。スタビで理想の関係作りしてみませんか

SM度チェッカー said...

最近普通のプレイに物足りなさを感じているそこのアナタ、ワンランク上のプレイをしてみませんか?そんな時の目安にSM度チェッカーを使うんです。自分の深層心理を暴きパートナーとのプレイ時のアドバイスも付きますよ!!一度どうですか

モバゲー said...

モバゲーでは友達から恋愛まで、様々な出 会いを探せる無料のコミュニティサイトです。常時サポートスタッフが掲示板をチェック、サクラや業者を排除しておりますので安心してご利用いただけます

モバゲー said...

出会い専門のモバゲーSNSが誕生!メル友、恋人、セフレetc…貴方の理想に合った関係になれちゃいます。素敵な人と過ごしたいならココで見つけてみませんか

スタービーチ said...

出 会いを探しているのなら会員数ナンバーワンのスタービーチ!開放的な夏休みはここで新しい出 会いを見つけよう!

モテる度チェッカー said...

夏休み目前になり、一人で大事な休みを過ごすのは誰でもイヤと違う?そんな時にモテる度チェッカーで簡単診断、この夏アナタも彼氏・彼女と過ごすための貴重なアドバイスが手に入りますよ、もうアドバイスに対しての感謝のメールが毎日!!アナタもこの夏を乗り遅れるな

グリー said...

グリー発信!!出会い専門SNS誕生、今話題のgreeから出会いをGETしよう。greeにしかできない事が盛りだくさん!!気軽にメールするだけで出会えるサイト・・・貴方の理想の異性と出会いませんか

モバゲー said...

モバゲー専門の出会い掲示板が誕生!出会いを求めている方にはオススメのサイトです。幸せな時間を過ごしたい方、淋しい思いをしたくない方はぜひご覧ください

ツイッター said...

今話題沸騰中!?新感覚出会いをツイッターで体験しませんか?リアルタイムで相手が何をしてるか分かるから、理想の人かどうかが簡単に分かる。貴方の理想の人をGETしませんか

mコミュ said...

素敵な出 会 いで愛を育む♪理想の人と楽しめる関係を築きませんか?mコミュでしか味わえない幸せを掴みましょう

スタービーチ said...

スタービーチで会える!?理想の異性をGETしよう☆素敵な出会いばかりだから求めている関係も作りやすい!!貴方が求めているのはどういった恋ですか?

名言チェッカー said...

他の人が言ってる名言や格言って良い事言ってるな~とか思ってる方、名言チェッカーで今日から自分に相応しい言葉を見つけませんか!!これでどんな人にも一目置かれる存在に為れますよ

mixi said...

mixiをも凌駕する出会い率!!出会いをするならここしかない♪mixiより出会えてしまうこのサイト。一度ハマれば辞めれません。スタービーチで素敵な出会いをしちゃいましょう

モバゲー said...

モバゲーで出会いをすれば楽しい事は間違いありません。暑いからこそ出会いを楽しむべきなのです。登録無料で簡単に利用可能!

モバゲータウン said...

モバゲータウンでは恋愛から出合いまでのキッカケをつかめる無料のコミュニティサイトです。常時サポートスタッフが掲示板をチェック、サクラや業者を排除しておりますので安心してご利用いただけます

スタビ said...

スタビが今一番アツイのはご存じでしょうか?夏休みで出会いを探している娘とすぐに会えちゃうんです。登録無料でここまで出会える所は他には存在しません。今登録して良いパートナーに巡り合おう

スタービーチ said...

出会いのシーズン、夏到来!スタービーチでご近所さんと知り合っちゃおう!ひと夏の体験も女の子は求めている

モバゲー said...

モバゲーでついに出会いができる!?楽しめる出会い、求めていた出会いはココから始まる。素敵な出会いでまずは関係づくりwしていきましょう

gree said...

greeで素敵な時間を過ごしたい・・・そんな願望を叶えてくれるサイト誕生!!今までにないドキドキ感と興奮をこのグリーで楽しみましょう

スタビ said...

スタビで出会いができる!!いつでもどこでも出会いが可能なスタービーチで最高の出会いをしてみませんか

mコミュ said...

簡単な出逢いはココでできる☆素敵な出逢いをmコミュで体験していきませんか?楽しめる出逢いを経験するならここしかない!!まずはお試しを

ツイッター said...

新時代突入!ツイッターで始まる出逢い…ここでしかできない出逢いが新しい風を巻き起こす!!素敵な巡りあわせを体験していこう!

SMチェッカー said...

あなたの秘められたSM度がわかるSMチェッカー!簡単な質問に答えるだけで自分の隠された部分が分かります!みんなで試してみよう

モバゲー said...

今やモバゲーは押しも押されもせぬ人気SNS!当然出 会いを求めてる人も多い!そこで男女が出 逢えるコミュニティーが誕生!ここなら友達、恋人が簡単にできちゃいますよ

モバゲー said...

もう夏休みも終わりに近づき、この夏最後の思い出を作りたいと焦ってる方が、モバゲーのコミュニティーに書かれてましたよ!!折角なんで夏の思い出作りに協力して自分も美味しい思いをしてみるのはどうですか?大手スポンサーサイトが付いてるので全部タダですよ

グリー said...

最近はどこのSNSサイトも規制ばっかりで、ちょっと出 合いに関して書き込みするとアク禁食らうけど、夏休み終盤に差し掛かり色々なサイトを調べた結果、グリーだけはどうも規制が緩んでるみたいです。今がチャンスの時期ですよ

ツイッター said...

ツイッターで出 合 いを求めるのです。気の合う異性と交流して楽しいひと時をお過ごしください。登録無料で使えるので気軽さは100点満点!

モテる度チェッカー said...

夏休みももう終わりに近づきこのまま一人は寂しいのちがう?そこでモテる度チェッカーを使い自分がなぜモテないか診断してもらいましょう。10~20代の女性アドバイザーが多数在籍してるので、アドバイスを参考に夏終盤を楽しもう